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- CommentAuthoreastofeden
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010 edited
Dear Writers of Outrageous Fortune,
If you have been reading the forum for the past few series, you will know I a huge fan of the show, posting often, guessing what will happen and discussing what has happened.
I want to know what has happened?
Series 6 has been a shadow of itself. With most episodes feeling more like a sitcom than an episode of OF, too many filler shows and not enough heart; not enough Cheryl. I have pulled back on the posting after being told over and over to wait for the series to build, still nothing has really happened. With such a great S5 cliffhanger, the start of S6 should have been great, but no, it was slow and awkward.
But now with this Pascalle/Judd twist, is it even really a twist? It's so out of character for both of them, but more so Judd. Even though OF is a fictional TV show, it was very good at staying true to the characters, while at the same time letting them develop. This 'twist' is shock for shocks sake.
To be honest, I think the worst part of the Pascalle/Judd storyline is that I had such high opinion of the writers, was so impressed at their ability to write such a kiwi show, that was funny, dramatic and had such a strong heart. But with the writers busy on other projects, it feels like OF has been push to the side and any old idea with do. That they wanted a shock and so just picked whatever, with no regard to the characters they had spent the past 5 years building.
Also, I would just like to add - Ted needs to calm down, talk about over-reaction. What he did was wrong and he should man up instead of continuing to throw a hissy-fit. Second, what is Bailey, I really tried to like that character, but I now wonder - was she created simply for the threesome?
Regards
Eastofeden
PS: Now you may think, this is just a reaction to Cheryl and Judd, that they can no longer be together. Not true, I started a thread sometime last week saying that if I was a writer I would end with Cheryl and Wolf together. Cheryl and Judd have broken up before, it's the way it was done.
PPS: So I won't be watching next week, or the week after. I'll wait till the end of the series and read what happens then decide whether to watch or not.
PPPS: The other week I posted that even though I haven't enjoyed this series as much, I still planned to buy the box set once it was out. I now no longer plan to do this.
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- CommentAuthorLOFeShane
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010 edited
Dear Writers of Outrageous Fortune,
This series is by far my favourite and I fucking loved tonight's ep to bits. You are amazing!
Yours faithfully,
Sara
PS I will continue to watch the show.
PPS Not even killing off Hayden would ruin my undying love for what you have created.
PPPS :) -
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CommentAuthorVan_Fish
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Sara; you are my inspiration.
Dear my beloved Writers of Outrageous Fortune,
Tonight's episode was fantastic. Keep up the amazing work.
Love, Van_Fish.
PS Like LOFeShane, I will continue to watch. It's the best show in the world.
PPS Although I would not stop watching Outrageous if you killed Hayden, please don't.
PPPS You guys are the highlight of my week every week. -
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- CommentAuthorLOFeShane
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Lol thanks! I try :) -
- CommentAuthorkakapo
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Dear Rachel, James and Tim (and anyone else involved in writing OF)
For 6 years you have been enthralling us with your show, capturing the audience unlike any other show before, torturing us with unexpected twists, turns and cliffhangers, finding storylines that no one ever predicted, and sticking to a formula that worked so well – characters that acted in ways which were unexpected yet ultimately, understandable and plausible. It is what made OF so different to everything else on our screens.
Sadly, last night, you left that formula. You ditched the most important aspect of characterisation in my view – that characters act according to the person you have outlined over time. That their actions are true to them unless there is a psychologically sound reason for them to act out-of-character.
In my opinion, Judd screwing Pascalle is totally out of character for him, and thus, not plausible. You have jerked his character around to suit the plot, a cheap storyline which is meant to shock the audience. A goal you have, once again, achieved.
What a shame that you have destroyed the story of Cheryl and Judd with this incomprehensible twist. The reason why I started watching OF and why I have been sticking with it are those two characters and the story you have created around them.
‘This is Outrageous Fortune,’ I hear you say. ‘There are no happy endings for anyone.’ True. It always seemed too much to wish for some kind of happiness for those two. But to wreck it in that way? There would have been many other ways to break these two up if that is what you really wanted. Admittedly, as a huge fan of Cheryl and Judd, I would have never been happy with any break up between them. But to break them up in a way which is so unlikely and out of character is really disappointing. Sadly, this episode has destroyed something which had incredible appeal, depth and chemistry.
Which leads to my next question – why have you reduced the character of Cheryl to a shadow of her former self? There is no depth to her any longer. Is she is doomed to spend the entire season on the phone? But that’s another topic for another post sometime, maybe.
Regards,
Kakapo
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- CommentAuthorBC_OF
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Agreed fully with the above :)
Dear Writers,
I have my sky and watch all the episodes again and again! this season is totally awesome!
I have full trust in you and believe you love these characters as much as the rest of this country, you are totally amazing and have given so much to nz through this show.
It has honestly changed my life for the better! :)
Much love and my FULL support.
PS: Even though i have watched these over and over i will still be buying the box set, and have gotten 4 people addicted to it, and they all keep borrowing my dvds!
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- CommentAuthorBC_OF
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Oh haha i meant with the above above haha (Van_fish) :) -
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CommentAuthorVan_Fish
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Really? I thought you hated this episode... :D -
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- CommentAuthorLOFeShane
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010 edited
People change. Even fictional ones. -
- CommentAuthorBC_OF
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
:P -
- CommentAuthorXX_RydeR
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Judd and Pascalle has just taken what was an amazing show and thrown the whole thing
out the window. -
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CommentAuthorDrew_1981
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Dear writers of OF
please let Pascalle get pregnant and not know if the baby is Nicky or Judd's
also please kill of Aaron in a funny unconventional accident
and make Jethro come out of the closet already
regards
Drew
PS Baby Jane should turn out to be Graham's
PPS Aurora should come back in the form of a unicorn that Van finds -
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- CommentAuthorphile
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
I still have hopes for a fantasy.
Cheryl is holding the broken bottle and just before she cuts Gerard, she sees what the future will be if she cuts him. Instead, she doesn't and he takes Pascalle to jail -- where she's set free and he's transferred back to the Bay of Plenty.
Whatever happens, the last ep will be a doozy. -
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CommentAuthorVan_Fish
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Don't talk about the last episode! It makes me depressed! -
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- CommentAuthorAsbloodrunsblack27
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Dear the writers of Outrageous Fortune,
You guys never fail ti impress me. This Pascalle/Wayne storyline is just further proof that you guys still have it, even after six seasons.
Well done and thank you for taking the New Zealand television industry to a whole new level of awesomeness. -
- CommentAuthorsmee2004
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Bloody hell people...ease up. Shit happens, and one thing OF doesn't slide away from, is what happens in everyday life. I think Judd has been a saint for far too long. I love Judd and Cheryl together and really had high hopes of them ending happily ever after. Those hopes are now gone, there is no happy ending with this story, but, that doesnt mean it isnt damned fine writing. And hasn't been brilliantly portrayed. I think Siobhan was brilliant last night. Kirk certainly has his moments, but I think it was Siobhan that really carried the show last night....so,.... its a wipe the stunned look off our faces time...and stay tuned to see what the hell can come out of this mess....and I think it is going to be sad, but brilliantly done.
I think we should also note we cant really hold the writers to ransom "if you dont keep Judd a saint, I wont watch your show any more" , if this has really upset you so much that you wont watch the show anymore, that is your own personal decision, and it is sad if this has ruined your enjoyment of this program, but it IS just a program, the characters ARE fictional, but do behave in a typical manner.
For the life of me I cannot understand those that have said this is a crap season, I actually think it is one of the better seasons....I almost gave up on OF last season. So glad I didn't. -
- CommentAuthorlovehatefiction
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Dear outrageous fortune writers,
Thank you so much for redemming youself last night. I lost faith this season, but now i understand why you are the best writers on television.
Kakapo, i disagree with you. You say thatt characters act according to the person you have outlined over time.
Judd is stil a good guy, but often or not characters will reach breaking point. If you took away the fact that pascall was cheryls daughter, the part when they got together was a truly beautful moment. Judd is taken advantage of by cherly and the family. He has risked everything for her and is not appreciated at all. When cheryl went to jail she left him there to clean up her mess. Pascall has been there for him, and vice versa. All humans have weaknesses and we often give in to the temptation, regardless of whats right or wrong. -
- CommentAuthorCornelius
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
Go smee girl!! I'm backin ya fully on this one! =)
You guys are seriously gonna give up on OF? Good luck finding anything else half as good.
You'll all come crawling back apologising over the next few weeks.... -
- CommentAuthoralee_rome
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
I totally agree with smee too. -
- CommentAuthorLOFeShane
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
The crawling back has already started :) .. -
- CommentAuthorlouise86
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010
No way in hell am I going to stop watching. Otherwise I would have left many weeks back. One disappointing season in anyone's opinion doesn't change my overall outlook of OF. It's built up over many years, and to show my appreciation for its uniquesness I will be sitting by, waiting for the final outcome to say goodbye to some of my favourite television characters ever to be created... by a bunch of Kiwis lol! Now that's saying something. It's not a stupid US series that has taken my heart, it's a beautiful, well written, acted and produced little Kiwi show that makes me blubber just writing this. OMG I'm the biggest sook. All I can say is thank you for taking us on this journey. Whether we like it or not. Oh and I knew this would be James Griffin's work. Tearing these characters apart lol! -
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CommentAuthorwas a cloud
- CommentTimeSep 28th 2010 edited
I'm still watching this show, I want to see what happens! But it's just damaged my opinion of the show from being brilliant to being quite average. That's quite a sad thing, especially when it's done that for so many.
Bring back Wolf! he is a necessity now! -
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- CommentAuthorofan
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
Dear writer of Outrageous Fortune
Stilll loving your work!!!! Will watch to the very end and then start from the very beginning again!!!
And despite some of the negative feedback, I think a lot of thought has gone into developing this Pascalle/Judd storyline (it's been subtly building over the last few weeks). And last night was wickedly intense.
This is by far the best NZ show ever - and right up there with all time favourites Dexter and True Blood. A credit to such a creative writing team. Well done guys!!!
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- CommentAuthoroz
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
You pussies piss off and watch CASTLE, what a well written show and they won't fuck -
- CommentAuthorsmee2004
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
No way in hell am I going to stop watching. Otherwise I would have left many weeks back. One disappointing season in anyone's opinion doesn't change my overall outlook of OF. It's built up over many years, and to show my appreciation for its uniquesness I will be sitting by, waiting for the final outcome to say goodbye to some of my favourite television characters ever to be created... by a bunch of Kiwis lol! Now that's saying something. It's not a stupid US series that has taken my heart, it's a beautiful, well written, acted and produced little Kiwi show that makes me blubber just writing this. OMG I'm the biggest sook. All I can say is thank you for taking us on this journey. Whether we like it or not. Oh and I knew this would be James Griffin's work. Tearing these characters apart lol!
I nominate this Louise week...another brilliant post. -
- CommentAuthorlouise86
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
Oh shucks smee. It's thanks to the OF team for giving me something to bite my teeth into. Hoora. Could you imagine how I would've been if Cheryl and Judd got married? Wow. I'm raving on about an affair lol. -
- CommentAuthorMac
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
Dear Writers of OF,
Congratulations for writing an episode that has had such a huge reaction. Can't wait to see what happens next! -
- CommentAuthorlouise86
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010 edited
Um hazzard, Pascalle is a consenting adult. You may dislike Wayne at the moment, but he isn't a rapist. Thank you.
I second Mac! -
- CommentAuthorrf-3
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
Dude thats un called for....
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- CommentAuthorlouise86
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
Now my comments don't make sense lol. -
- CommentAuthorMrsFalani
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
@louise...some fools have made much less sense -
- CommentAuthorrf-3
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
its funny cause neither does mine anymore. thank you for deleting hazzard comment -
- CommentAuthorlouise86
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
No it's because hazzard has been removed. Now I look like the idiot. Hmm, maybe some creative editing is required? If I could be bothered lol. -
- CommentAuthorMrsFalani
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
seconded...talk about sensitive -
- CommentAuthorlouise86
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
rf-3, you are not connected to rf_2, or are you? -
- CommentAuthorMrsFalani
- CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
maybe that was his plan all along...eeek thats evil -
- CommentAuthorgrasshopper
- CommentTimeOct 19th 2010
The thing that's great about OF is that is always manages to break every social Taboo. In Wayne and Pascale they've almost managed to cover two birds with one stone Adultery and Incest. They've told the story in a very human way. At first I was horrified but now I think it's in keeping with the Story line. I think this series though doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast. Sometimes I wonder if they are trying to bury the series so no one will want to resurrect it???
But most of all the thing I want most is vengence - how can Cherie just be left to get away with it???
Surely she accidentally falls into a pool filled with Phiranas or something!! -
- CommentAuthorcanuckfan
- CommentTimeOct 21st 2010 edited
Dear writers of OF,
Since I am overseas, I get OF sent to me week by week, then buy the DVD box sets to reward you all for your fabulous work. For 5 1/2 seasons you and the gang have kept me entertained. Your writing has had the ability to turn on a dime: this show could be sexy, funny, dramatic, heartbreaking, and, yes, outrageous. Sometimes in a single scene.
And then came the Pascale/Wayne hookup -- and now I will never want to watch your show again.
You have said that you object to the expression "jumped the shark". Perhaps you could substitute "boffed his daughter". As long as it refers to the moment when a once-great series destroys its credibility, abandoning everything it once stood for in a dumb and desperate bid for attention.
I cannot describe to you how disgusted I am by the blatant stupidity and cynicism of this money shot... I mean, plot. Despite the fact that Wayne has been Pascale's de facto father for so many formative years, is their sex supposed to be believable (and kinky fun) because they're not blood relations? Come a little closer to me -- an adopted child in a blended family -- and say that to my face. You know, shows like THE SOPRANOS and 24 captivated us with their surprising plot twists -- and yet, do you know why neither Jack Bauer nor Tony Soprano ever shtupped their own super-hot daughters? Because it would have been idiotic and far-fetched, yes: but more than that. Because their love of their families was their one redeeming feature. Because without it, they would have been just meat puppets in a random and ridiculous dance of f***ing and fighting. Because, dear writers, WE NEED SOME REASON TO CARE. Having removed Cheryl, the beating heart of the series, you are now setting out to make us hate and despise Wayne, its soul?
Today was a really hard day in the "real world" that your posters keep going on about. Tonight I came home to find some comfort with those amazing, irrepressible Wests, and their exhilarating ability to be operatically bone-headed and immoral and disgusting but strangely true to themselves and each other. Of course, this would be the episode when Pascale had sex with Wayne. You just took my comfort out back of the Rusty and put a bullet in its head. I should have gone with a bottle of Jack Daniels and doing the wild thing with my brother... because I would have felt a lot better about myself afterwards. -
- CommentAuthoralee_rome
- CommentTimeOct 21st 2010
Dear writers of OF,
I'm from Australia thankyou for creating a great show and great episodes every week. I am looking forward to see what happens. -
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CommentAuthorDrew_1981
- CommentTimeOct 21st 2010
I really don't get how people are shocked over this storyline. It's Outrageous Fortune! We've had proper incest on there before with Pascalle and her half brother and Nicky & Sheree, but because it's precious Judd suddenly its wrong!? They're not even related and Judd is no saint. Had they just kissed it would have been too soapish like Home & Away or Neighbours, they had to have had sex for it to work in this sort of show. -
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- CommentAuthorgoody123
- CommentTimeOct 21st 2010
Has to be best season so far. Best thing on tv this year -
- CommentAuthorlouise86
- CommentTimeOct 21st 2010
Sheree and Nickeeee. That's who I forgot in my incest question! Grrr. Nicky and Sheree were already screwed in the head.
Goody123, easily best thing on tv this year, every year, even when OF is at its worst!
canuckfan, there has been a small explanation from the writers in another thread. After all, there are two sides to everything, if you want to have a read. It's the first post.
http://www.outrageousfortune.co.nz/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2018&page=1 -
- CommentAuthorsmee2004
- CommentTimeOct 22nd 2010
I am really concerned for people who appear to have lost all grip on reality over the W & P issue. Make believe. Fiction. Not true. Actors pretending to be characters. Actors acting what is written for them. To put it in the same post as talk of finding out your mother has cancer (and VERY sorry to hear that) just bears no....god...what word am I looking for? Can a TV program really compensate for that kind of news? And if it can, should you be seeking some sort of emotional help? Its TV! -
- CommentAuthorcrossie
- CommentTimeOct 22nd 2010
What the hell is going on with that Hobbit thing? Peter Jackson should think laterally. In Niue we have a massive fish factory in mothballs, no unions, dynamic scenery, and about 1000 Hobbit extras. -
- CommentAuthorgruebz
- CommentTimeOct 22nd 2010
what pascalle and wayne have done isnt incest. thats not to say its not morally wrong but incest is an illegal act, what pascalle and wayne isn't illegal.
i think those complaining about it have failed to see the wider issues surrounding this. i think they need to move down from their high horse and realise that we don't always choose who we fall for and also that at certain points of our lives people are right for us and sometimes they arent. the trick is how we deal with those feelings and that what is playing out with wayne at the moment. ive seen this so many times in real life (admittedly not as drastic as it with the wayne, cheryl & pascalle scenario) but its something most of us go through at times in our lives. the question is do you go with what is morally correct or with what your heart wants you to do?
for what its worth, to date i havent been particularly happy with this series but its got nothing to do with the pascalle and wayne storyline, i think thats been a highlight. for me i feel that some of the characters such as van and grandpa have for some reason become caricatures of themselves which makes it a little bit hard to relate to them in the same way. however, with only a couple of episodes left and so many widely open storylines i still have faith in the writers that will tie it all together and if they do then these upcoming episodes could be some of the best outrageous episodes of all time. -
- CommentAuthorcanuckfan
- CommentTimeOct 22nd 2010 edited
FYI folks, I do know what fiction is -- I write it for a living. That is why I am writing to the writers of the series, not to my buddies "Pascale" and "Wayne". And that is why l can recognise a cheap writerly trick when I see one. I'm not objecting to the immorality of the incest storyline between Pascale and Judd: you won't see any outraged posts from me about Nicky and Sheree or Pascale and her half-brother or Van moving in on his Daddy's girlfriend. I would love to be able to lose myself in the merry goings-on of these glorious characters. I'm objecting because I CAN'T lose myself when I can see the strings being pulled, when the writers ignore the characters that they themselves have created in order to provide a momentary jolt of adrenaline. The Van-Jethro-Bailey threeway? Icky and kinky but beautifully set up and perfectly in character. Pascale and Wayne? I don't buy it. It reeks of doing anything and everything just to get your hottest actors a little bit naked together. It's as calculating as z-grade porn, and just as artful. (BTW, speaking as a longtime step-child, if any of you naughty punters says one more time that it's not incest because they're not blood-related, I shall have to come over there and pelt you with feijoas. I'm sorry, but that's as sensible as saying Bailey didn't really have a threesome because her partners are twins.) -
- CommentAuthorlillylaloo
- CommentTimeOct 22nd 2010
Ok point taken but that doesn't change the fact that it isn't incest. -
- CommentAuthorsmee2004
- CommentTimeOct 22nd 2010
Point well delivered, canuckfan. I dont think of it as a cheap writery trick, I think the way the twins were bought back, to be dealt with (because us forum regulars have been harping on about the twins since Sheree left) and then dealt with and dumped like a hot potato MAY have qualified as a cheap writery trick, to satisfy us gullible viewers 'that just wanted to know' (but in my mind, there was not any intention to deal with this issue until we repeatedly raised it)
I agree the whole P & W thing is icky, but I do think the writers have handled it well. This wasnt something that 'just happened one night', this has been hovering in the background for weeks of viewing. And Payne and Wascalle ARE only human. Humans do some dumb things sometimes, and this has got to be one of the dumbest, but you or I (thankfully) do not live under the kind of pressure W & P live under. Pascalle has been shot out not once, but twice in the last handful of months! Wayne has lost his baby, was losing his relationship. Relationship survived ONLY because his partner ended up in prison for murder. So he is there under weird obligation AND because he loves the family, and despite him and Cheryl being at borderline break up point, he does love her. Then he has this constant stream of SHIT from that family. Never ending stupidity, not least of which comes from Cheryl, who he is only trying to help, and she sabotages any chances she has got every step of the way. Then Grandpa hates him, the man he named his dead son after wants him out after all he has done for the family. He has to cope with Van's stupidity to try and keep van from the dangers of...well....being Van really. And...the slimet shit on the top of the whole horrible mess, is Jethro. Jethro manipulated a man eater...and not just any man eater, but Cheryl's sister, into wrecking what was left of a crumbling relationship.
So.
I do not think this was a cheap writery trick. If it is, it has taken one hell of a lot of effort over a long period of time, to bring it together, and cheap writery tricks...well arent they cheap spontaneous pathetic half arsed efforts?
Having said that, I respect your opinion, and most definitely respect the way you have presented it. -
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CommentAuthorDrew_1981
- CommentTimeOct 22nd 2010
And don't forget about what Pascalle has been through! -
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- CommentAuthorlouise86
- CommentTimeOct 22nd 2010
Eww, the twin threesome thing, I never looked at it that way, but you could be onto something
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